The Little Gardener: Inspire Children to Connect with the Natural World

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Do you have any questions for me?

Well, I was wondering about your journey a little bit.

Well, I call my audience Green Future Growers, mostly they are interested in growing a lot of food, they have large backyard gardens, they are master gardeners, but I have gotten a lot of new listeners so there might be more new gardeners. I started my podcast in January 2015, and I have done 318 interviews with backyard gardeners, market farmers, etc and so I feel like since I started my podcast I could keep a class of students alive if I had to.

My husband and I live on 20 acres in NW Montana, so deer is a big challenge here. Many listeners etc say that is a giant challenge. Mikes goal is trying to grow as much of our own produce as we can but this year we are trying to do more, we are even looking into having a WWOOFER coming to stay and maybe help Mike because we feel like this land should produce as much as it can and more then Mike can by himself in case we need food in the fall.

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It wasn’t until I saw children in a garden—holding seeds, planting them, touching the soil, and smelling, harvesting, and tasting food (nature)—that I knew they were truly perceiving their place in the natural world. And it made perfect sense.

The most direct and intimate way to connect with nature is, clearly, to eat it. A small part of it becomes a small part of you—and it fills you up a little more every time.

Eventually you begin to realize that you have always been 100 percent nature, that you are made of the same components of all that you see in the natural world—your body made of water and carbon, same as the flower stalks. Gardens remind us that everything is connected, and that “everything” includes us.

The Little Gardener: Inspire Children to Connect with the Natural World

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Tell us a little about yourself.

Hudson Valley in NY State. 2 hours of NYC.

I grew up on Long Island till I was ten. My family moved upstate to where my dad had a hunting cabin.

Moving from the suburbs at the age of 10 for a fledgling 6th grader, but looking back on it, I’m so glad they did.

How lucky were you to get to move upstate.

I loved the close knit community in the suburbs, but I’m a nature girl at heart, more of a country girl and I’m glad I got to develop a stronger love of nature.

Me too!

Even when we lived on Long Island, we had a tiny postage stamp backyard, and most of that, probably 20-30% of that backyard, we had in vegetables all along the perimeter of the yard. There was never any question with the connection to where food came from because we always had tomatoes growing etc. That was natural.

That connection was made pretty naturally, when we moved upstate dad really expanded his garden, put in an orchard

They had:

5 acres
still live on that land
apple trees are my dad’s heart and soul

helping in the garden

once I got to be a teenager I wasn’t super duper excited about it. But that really gave me a foundation and a jumping off point for a connection to nature.

not along of the typical

forts
streams
mud-pies

always had this connection to natural world that began to manifest belonging to an environmental group in high school and then going to an environmental science and forestry program here in sunny Syracuse NY

What I started feeling that education

being an outdoor educator felt like my path

educational fellowship my last couple of years

inner city Syracuse

I felt like this is it! Connecting kids to nature is what I want to do!!

That manifested over a few years

few different jobs

NY state parks
adirondack mountain club
taking kids hiking
taking kids in canoes
looking at pond water under a microscope

nature still felt

When I would engage with nature, yes

let’s identify this tree or this animal track
it didn’t feel like enough!
Nature still felt like an other

this one

Taconic Nature Center

I’ve been there (but really I went to the Ashokan outdoor center about 45 minutes away)

It’s a great programing.

We didn’t have blacksmithing but there was a farm nearby that had more of those historic skill type stuff.

We had a

mammals course
aquatics course
project adventure ropes course for team building

we did have a lot of 6th graders, aligning with the 6th grade curriculum

Along with the quote from the book, watching kids eat from a book

I love identifying trees

I love identifying birds

observing in things in nature

but engaging in it is something totally different and actually putting a piece of nature into your body takes it to next level

nature communication and nature interpretation

Nature is food so I said, let me check out this organic farming. I tried this organic farming just for a weekend and I was sold.

I moved out to Colorado to intern farm

part educational
production

interest to sustainable living off grid 9000 feet elevation

working with the land and allowing it to be part of our lives
That was a big shift, watching where all my food came
also took a course with the Audubon in Maine

3 week intensive just before I went to colorado

just watching, we took it back to basics!

we want to bake bread then somebody starts

grind the wheat
split firewood

taking it back to basics is different then the part of me that climbs a mountain to see a pretty view the working with kids to check it out flipping logs over and playing in streams

It came full circle back to gardening

its a really excusable way to connect with nature intimately and personally.

Do you want to explain about the little gardener big gardener and how it starts out, because people probably don’t alway know how to start with a kid?

The Little Gardener: Inspire Children to Connect with the Natural World

the book is designed to be read by a big gardener to help guide little gardeners to create:

dreaming
growing
harvesting
learning

together! The book is laid out pretty chronologically, in terms of setting intentions, and mindfulness and always coming back to that dream to guide you and where you want your garden to go.

visualizing your garden

connecting your land

observing your environment

what kind of garden is going to work for this place

I love that you start out talking about an inviting garden!

the most the gardens I felt most wowed by a real energy shift by just walking into it, it was part wild and cultivated, when you walked into it there were

places to sit
defined paths
it just had that element of wild nature
and “domesticated nature”

I think that is so true, because like Mike has his minifarm that is production for vegetables but then we have our garden area that I refer to as the organic oasis because it’s a place where we hangout and have picnics and bar-b-ques with the kids etc and I like to paint and relax and read. A place to be and enjoy is very different then a farm that just produces food.

the more kids feel invited into the garden, just like adults the more they are going to want to be in there

When they are a part of setting those intentions

building the structures that allow the garden to come alive that’s gonna be a space they connect to more

something that’s woven

ecological literacy

the idea that natural systems support all life on this earth!

We are a part of those systems, it’s important to understand they sustain us and how to co create with those systems to create ideally a more sustainable society

In a garden that you are co creating with

it’s more easy to see how your actions affect your immediate environment for better or worse

they will have a better sense as they grow looking beyond nature in their backyard and garden to oh, I can have an affect on the nature in my community

I think gardening is a lesson in so many things!

I think it allows us to see what we are capable of doing with our own two hands and in our minds in nature.

I love that so eloquent. It’s amazing to me, when I look at your book, I’m like wow! because I like a lot of the things in your book are very similar to what we put it in our book the organic oasis guidebook is similar like the bean teepee and deep beds but I love your layout!

I think it is so timely right now, we’ve been teaching online for a month now, I am trying to think of different ways to engage my families. We just had Earth Day, we did just teach in Wonders Mc Graw Hill’s curriculum for earth day we had great stories on recycling and solar power etc that we’ve been reading but I think there are so many ideas in your book I can use with them.

It’s a blessing and a curse

at our local nursery I can do a garden activity and book signing!

these things that are described in the book

my heart breaks a little bit not being able to do it.

but honestly the book is about parents and children for families to create and grow in their garden and parents are all stuck at home with their children so what could be more perfect?

pining for this connection to nature

how connected we are to the biology of the planet

there couldn’t be a more perfect time for the book to come out

One thing I wanted to add, there is this big gardener, little gardener dynamic throughout the book, people ask me is it for kids or for adults?

it’s for both of you

Most of the text is designed to be read by an adult

there are these side bars that are written for little readers, just a short paragraph

designed to pick up the book themselves

One of my friends, she has 2 twin five year olds, and she had a picture of Nora reading the book in a chair, so I was so excited!

the five year old is picking up the book!

it’s so good!
it’s so good!

I’m glad that I’m hearing from adults

picking it up on their own

I think the illustrations are invited, draw a garden map, that you phrase it like that, just like you said, I could see my 3rd graders reeaing a good percentage of this especially the side bars, the way it goes in chronological order, the journal prompts and the planting calendar, and the illustrations of teh tools. It’s like workbook and draw in it or hav ea notebook with it. The layout is fantastic!

Yea the harvesting olympics!

I feel like the illustrations capture the vibe of the book, it’s a perfect balance between being able to something that was really important to me was

if there’s an illustration of a seed or a plant

if it’s a raspberry bush

I want ti to look like a raspberry

plant physically correct

soft and welcoming

Esemie the illustrator just nailed it.

I think you guys totally nailed it. Do you want to talk about the content in it? My listeners are always interested in what can they do to be more productive and grow more vegetables in their spaces. It’s all gold!

The most important piece of advice I have used in gardening is observe observe observe.

one reason I like to water is it gives me time to stare at the plants

drip tape is super efficient, and turing on a sprinkler is super efficient too

But watering by hand is one of the ways that helps me get to observe and know what is going on in my garden

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The other thing is I took a permaculture design course some years ago, some of the suggestions that come through in permaculture is to observe your space for an entire year!

Don’t screw around, really get to know that space.

where does the frost settle?
where does it lift first?
where do the puddles form?
where is it more rocky?

where does it

before

Sometimes we get so excited about getting our plants into the ground

foundational pieces that are going to be important and trickle down

making sure your soil is good before you begin

or you’re gonna be heartbroken!

If you are all excited about growing carrots and potatoes and you find out bedrock 6 inches down or less or your soil is filled with slate or shale pieces

I think it’s worth taking the time inthe beginning

or you put it where the tree is going to grow up and be shaded in all of august or it’s gonna burn in August

get to know where your sun and shadows are moving!

it’s a very joyful and mediative process

grow your potatoes in those fabric potato sacks
have a raised bed to start and incorporate back to the garden later

once you have a sense of the ecology of your space

relationship between being efficient and being joyful

come up agains rather, I feel like it ends with being productive and having a good time in the garden.

I’m gardening for a lot of reasons

one is for production and one is for joy
many other reasons

this mantra I try to embody

I am peacefully productive and mindfully efficient

taking both of those worlds

I feel good about both of them, I am at peace but getting things done, learning to find the joys of being efficient

if I am being efficient I feel like I have to move really fast then I am not really connecting to my garden in that spiritual, sacred way we connect to our land and there is a way to do both so I tried to weave mindfulness within the book.

I think that it’s one way if listeners will bond with their children if they do the activities in the book, because like you mentioned the interview I did with Joel he talked about growing up with awful memories of just weeding, weeding, weeding…

that was what he was forced to do where as you’re talking about all the joys of a garden you can get and they are going to eat but they are going to look back on with fond memories!

I really want to

this is kind of what I wanted to say before about ecological literacy

being in your garden that you are out in nature

I’m so glad you decided to share that one quote at the beginning of our conversation because my main goal for the book is to use gardening as a tool to understand that we are part of nature and we have the ability to co-create in a really positive way to make us healthier, good and more connected to our families and communities!

This is such an important time for that. In redneck Montana, there are lots of people don’t want to wear masks, I mean our grocery stores are good, and people are staying home but I continually see things that say, people are gathering here.

I just feel that people who are protesting, we need to reach out to them personally, like literally call them on the phone, not through email, and reach out to them and say hey:

the red cross needs help – most of their volunteers are seniors
food banks need help
what if we doubled all the backyard gardens where people are already growing and said if you grow food if we build you an extra bed would you grow more
expand community gardens
school gardens

We’re gonna use part of our stimulus to help Mike grow more food because who know what is going to be like this fall. I feel like there are places in our community. You could probably build a deep bed safely on your own.

I also wanted to ask you about your club in high school, like I think if there was an environmental group, I think I would have been an environmental lawyer. Let’s get the people who are wanting to be out to work helping

To the club I was in in high school was called

Envriothon

there is 4h

I wasn’t plugged into agriculture

the more outdoor educator/ nature interpretation

identifying trees
doing soil tests
understanding what kind of local wildlife there was
tracking and things

Envirothon, I believe, I haven’t looked it up in a while, it’s a national club, i don’t think it was by any means in every high school

state competitions
countywide statewide
national competitions

groups of high schoolers gather together and basically take this test on nature to see how well you know it

There was a team of 4 to do problem solving we had to do presentations and things like that. That was great because I realized there were all these other people who cared about something similar and there were enough of those people to have a national following

my operating system is more introvert, less extrovert activist

I feel like a lot of kids are getting into the activist piece especially with Greta on the scene

I was gonna say, where do you see that?

that club was just right for me,

these small teams that would go out in nature together, we would learn together

going for walks in the woods as a kid
being in the garden as a kid

as a kid

I know a lot of schools have school gardens

community gardens

suggest seeking out leaders in the come

That’s the other place I feel like we could get community gardens. Let’s get these people that feel like they aren’t affected to get out there and build something positive. Let’s expand our community gardens. I did see they were working on the rose garden at the library, yesterday.

I think this is a great idea, there are probably listeners in the audience who are like, there is a curriculum to use, because I get intimidated and I’m a teacher.

I am the kind of person who when I have time off, I need to walk in nature, but the garden, the other day I was even out helping mike for about 20 minutes digging the potato bed with the broadfork and I was like ok I’m done.

Afternoon snack Rant

I have yet to meet a student who doesn’t love the afternoon fresh vegetable/fruit snack we give out. Celery, cucumbers, carrot sticks, tangelos, cherry tomatoes grapes. It all gets eaten, you might have one or two out of 20 that don’t but the other kids all clamor over the rest. They are always like can I have another one? Anyone who says kids won’t eat fresh vegetables, I don’t believe it. If you bring it to them they will enjoy it.

Going back to what you said about getting folks getting stuck

out protesting

in alignment for them right now

Now is the time we all need to be helpful humans

whatever skill set and how we can offer that in a way that feels comfort in this crazy time

once the lock down in NY here, I was feeling kind of despondent to start

let’s adjust from this more panicky to more purposeful

some video online that is encouraging people to shift from panic to purpose, I think that is one of the best pieces of advice to come out.

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Which activity is your least favorite activity to do in the garden?

I do not like dealing with pests

It’s something I have avoided learning a whole lot about as a way to procrastinate on dealing with it, instead I focus my energy on growing that are growing plants that are healthy and resistant and having healthy soil, then deal with concept of insects down the line. I feel like sometimes that philosophy works and sometimes it doesn’t.

still haven’t diced out the part about I don’t want to squish cucumber beetles

having them eat my cucumbers.

That’s so funny, cause this morning I was like how come I cld easily resist that turkey bacon I sooooo wanted to eat and yet chocolate? french fries etc I have no will power against. He said… someone should show you a video of a coffee bean being slayed. Squishing beetles, yeah not for me. Last summer I had a guest or facebook member say, this is my $67/lb squash becasue they spent so much time squishing beetles.

butting heads I

if you think about it, what’s happening now in the world we have this idea of what is immunity.

some of us are more susceptible to getting sick then others, that could be from factors within our control

genetic makeup is gonna make certain bugs want to eat it no matter what, but my philosophy is to do the best I can to to get that plant to a point that is the best that it can be

nature that surrounds it

everything out there is eating everything else

I don’t want these bugs in here

so I want my plants to have the best

soil is really the foundation of everything.

Without a doubt healthy soil is the biggest theme on my show. And your dad probably has the same in the orchard because I have had lots of people talk about the importance of keeping your trees healthy with good soil, water and proper pruning for airflow so they stay resistant to disease. Again, my listeners want to know how to stay healthy.

methods like using row cover

egg plants get attacked by flea beetles

I keep them covered from when they are small, just transplanted, till they are a foot or more high and of course the flea beetles find there way in but it’s not a descimating

not an entourage of them

row cover is one of my best friends

the really light stuff is really nice

lightest you can get is great

Do you leave it on during the day? or at night?

leave it on almost all the time

floating on hoops

if it’s a really rainy day sometimes I’ll pull back the row cover to let the bed get a good soak but I’ll cover it back up. There are lot of days they stay totally covered and they do alreight and they look happier

and not only is it among the most affordable but it’s durable. We don’t have a lot of shed space and places to keep things, and I think we spent 50-100 dollars, as compared to do the tarps! Mike has been doing the tarping thing this year, and I was like what $150 for a tarp from Farmer’s Friend?

What is your favorite activity to do in the garden?

transplanting is my favorite

Getting seedlings on trays and getting them in the open beds, I just like tucking them in, it’s like a culmination!

A graduation celebration!

When I’m working with little kids

still in the greenhouse just sprouted pre-schoolers
brassicas are 3 weeks old they are more like kindergarteners
first grade is when they get transplanted outside

I love that moment bring them outside for a few days and let them harden off and get used to the conditions outside.

Me too it’s like instant garden!

to what’s gonna be your food.

It’s funny I always say I like clean garden jobs, but I love digging a new bed. I don’t mind weeding when it’s a little bit, I don’t like it when it get’s overwhelming. And it does remind me of cleaning the chalkboard in school.

What is the best gardening advice you have ever received?

I mean, a little bit of what I mentioned before in terms of just observing

top thing ~ getting to know your space

how nature is co-creating your garden

mulching!
mulching!
mulching!

I can’t stay enough about making sure your soil is covered with something for some people it might be

straw
side dressing of compost and mulch

When you look at wild nature, the earth is covered in life, or it’s covered in what used to be life, like leaves, and there is a reason earth is covered with leaves falling from the trees

life to flourish underneath it

notice you’l take one of your garden beds

mulch half of it with a couple of bales of fluffed up straw
and don’t mulch half

wait a few weeks and pull some back and see how far you can wiggle your hand back into the soil

All of the gardening instincts

which one plants

watch your plants

how are the plants that have mulch doing

The way I like to tuck in my garden beds each year is to put a layer, to put an inch or two of compost and then put down straw. I used to fluff up the straw more but then the wind would come so I learned to lay down flakes of straw so it’s heavier

learning garden

silvia center which is where I did most of my work gardening with kids and the soil there was just hard clay, it looked like you could have built clay bricks

After a year of doing the method of doing compost with straw on top

getting on the fall

spring time, I was able to pull the straw back and dip my hand in the ground wristdeep without much effort. My theory is that the worms and other soil life, came up from the depths eating that compost and distributing it into the top couple of inches of soil and it made a really nice rich planting mix. I could

transplant
direct seed

take that straw mulch and kind of fluff it up around the plants. I just loved watching the soil change through.

I feel like you are dropping golden seed after golden seed. I have a question so our book starts out with the first chapter healthy soil and building compost because I think everyone should build compost and stop throwing their food in the trash and landfills.

But so many people say, ick compost, and oh I had a bad experience or what about the animals and I’m like idk we don’t have that problem I think if we live in the woods wouldn’t we more then anyone? WBU?

Compost for me has been an evolving story

When I was in college we had what we called active composting because the compost was actively decomposing but we lived on the second floor of a house, we had a little backyard, and so the compost in the back was reachable by a hand throw from the second story, so we would throw our stuff, we wouldn’t turn it, the leaves would come down, it was basically just a pile of things that can degrade…

That’s what ours is like!

I’ve grown a lot in my compost so I think it really depends on

why you want to compost

diverst some of your waste stream away from your

cultivating your compost pile you want to get something good

rich

workable that works into your soil that can take a little bit of time

Compost rules are simple

balance of moisture and temperature and aeration

If you get those right, something good will be happening

If you just focus on managing those three things you’ll have something better then what I had in college the unmanaged heap

dry with wet

nitrogen rich green things that tend to be wetter

If you live in an area where you feel like you might have some

small to medium
mammal pests

be careful not to be putting dairy or meat scraps from a cake in your pile

Good to try not put anything sick in your garden. Make a separate pile, don’t use that with anything that is going to go back in your garden.

Maybe it could become a slow decomposing pile to fill in a low spot in the lawn.

A favorite tool that you like to use? If you had to move and could only take one tool with you what would it be.

oh gosh it’s really hard

the broad fork and then its a toss up between a colinear hoe and a scuffle hoe

colinear hoe

it’s just so delicate! It encourages me to get on top of the weeds when they are at that thread stage that the collinear hoe is so in depth at managing.

extra long handle
no bending at all
joy and cultivate the soil

My husband weeds his whole minifarm with his collinear hoe! And I love our broadfork! It was the bet $99 I ever spent. That’s how Mike roto-tills, this year he has the tarps down, but he uses the broadfork for it.

A favorite recipe you like to cook from the garden?

oh my good ness I’m super lucky to still have some pumpkins and squash from last year.

for Thanksgiving

pumpkin coconut curry

vegan

coconut milk

veggie stock I made from scraps from the farm I keep in the freezer

roasting a pumpking

mixing in curry powdered

my sister who is a farmer

winter squash

cooking winter squash

no more peeling

winter squash

puts the squash in the baking tray in the oven

400 for an hour

turns off the oven and lets it sit after that time

able to stick a metal skewer in

it’s so easy to slice

too many to count

cut open then the soft pumpkin

it’s soft

scoop out the seeds

gently scrape out the roasted flesh with a spoon

soups where the

ever

A favorite Podcast?

I do! They’re all over the place right now.

I love the Permaculture Podcast with Scott Mann

(listen to my interview with Scott here)

he is out of Pennsylvania

how curious he is

great connection to some of the episodes he has down with Ethan Hughes

with the Possibility Alliance

A favorite internet resource?

In terms of gardening. I will generally, I google a lot. I am a book hoarder

I have so many gardening books, I am training

Vegetable Gardening book by Frank

that is where I go first overtime

some cool

looking for different blogs and tips about gardening

TheSpruce.com

seen recipes on the spruce

home based projects

neat eater

working on getting a website growing

I will do that over the winter before

I’m gonna find time

before the book came out

to pull away from social media

when you have a book

come up with a mindful

haven’t used Instagram

finally get going

kick s

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I love directing folks to buy the book to buy it in other places

some bookstores are doing local curbside

bookshop

connected to independent bookstores

working with kids

unpredictable

gardening with kids is mushing those tow things together

be gentle with yourself

as you are becoming little gardeners guide

embrace uncertainty

journey of building

as a family

might run back to get scissors to cut the twine with and your little one has scattered the seeds all over the place, your plan has blown to the wind…

let it be
…see how much of the lettuce sprouts
let that be a learning experience

embrace uncertainty

I’m kind of glad you said that as Mike is working with this new person, I know what that’s like in the classroom, I think it’s gonna be a little different when we have people here at our place.

Final question- if there was one change you would like to see to create a greener world what would it be?

For example is there a charity or organization your passionate about or a project you would like to see put into action. What do you feel is the most crucial issue facing our planet in regards to the environment either in your local area or on a national or global scale?

100% Ecoliteracy

any organization that is working to cultivate conscious connection for kids

the most important and sacred work on the planet right now

Eco-literacy

permaculture as a guiding philosophy blend of wild and cultivated

think that helping kids feel like they are part of nature is the project

where our resources are coming from
need to understand how natural systems work
if we don’t how are we going to be able to ensure the wonderful parts of nature that aren’t us

I think the greatest joys in my life have been when I have been working the land that feeds me ~ I wish that everyone can feel that kind of joy

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